https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/higher-learning-van-lathan-rachel-lindsay/2024/08/16/the-musk-trump-interview-simone-biless-past-and-voting-rights-with-representative-stacey-abrams
https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/higher-learning-van-lathan-rachel-lindsay/2024/08/16/the-musk-trump-interview-simone-biless-past-and-voting-rights-with-representative-stacey-abrams